Comments on: THE INDISPENSIBLES – #12: SE7EN http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/features/indispensibles-features/the-indispensibles-12-se7en/ The place for movie geeks and obsessives! Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:22:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: HAZMAT http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/features/indispensibles-features/the-indispensibles-12-se7en/comment-page-1/#comment-4465 HAZMAT Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:24:09 +0000 http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/?p=2940#comment-4465 when i saw this movie i said "HEY its the same beautiful amazingly shockingly attractive individual from that shaekspeare movie!" this is where brad pitt started going out with her (piece of shit asshole) oh shes so beautiful (!!!) if you can read this gwyneth...can i carry your books for you!!? do your laundry!? ahhhh.....<3 PLEASE: MORE GWYNETH PALTROW RELATED NEWS! when i saw this movie i said “HEY its the same beautiful amazingly shockingly attractive individual from that shaekspeare movie!”

this is where brad pitt started going out with her (piece of shit asshole)

oh shes so beautiful (!!!)

if you can read this gwyneth…can i carry your books for you!!? do your laundry!?

ahhhh…..<3

PLEASE:
MORE GWYNETH PALTROW RELATED NEWS!

]]> By: Gazz http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/features/indispensibles-features/the-indispensibles-12-se7en/comment-page-1/#comment-4462 Gazz Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:43:55 +0000 http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/?p=2940#comment-4462 I know, I thought it was a very nice touch. That FAMILY GUY clip is good. But it's nothing to equal the one where they cut to MAGNUM PI and Magnum is bitch-slapping Higgens until he refers to himself as 'Tattoo' (from FANTASY ISLAND). I know, I thought it was a very nice touch.

That FAMILY GUY clip is good. But it’s nothing to equal the one where they cut to MAGNUM PI and Magnum is bitch-slapping Higgens until he refers to himself as ‘Tattoo’ (from FANTASY ISLAND).

]]> By: NotorietyH http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/features/indispensibles-features/the-indispensibles-12-se7en/comment-page-1/#comment-4461 NotorietyH Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:38:04 +0000 http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/?p=2940#comment-4461 I just liked the Ray Nicolette thing because Elmore Leonard does that a lot in his books, has characters pop up in small cameos that had larger roles in other books. I just liked the Ray Nicolette thing because Elmore Leonard does that a lot in his books, has characters pop up in small cameos that had larger roles in other books.

]]> By: NotorietyH http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/features/indispensibles-features/the-indispensibles-12-se7en/comment-page-1/#comment-4460 NotorietyH Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:20:59 +0000 http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/?p=2940#comment-4460 Haha, that reminds me of the family guy bit in the latest series when somone mentions being 'stubborn as a mule' and it cuts to a guy and a donkey on a couch, with the donkey insisting...well whadya know it's on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmrd1MbNkFs Haha, that reminds me of the family guy bit in the latest series when somone mentions being ’stubborn as a mule’ and it cuts to a guy and a donkey on a couch, with the donkey insisting…well whadya know it’s on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmrd1MbNkFs

]]> By: Gazz http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/features/indispensibles-features/the-indispensibles-12-se7en/comment-page-1/#comment-4459 Gazz Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:13:42 +0000 http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/?p=2940#comment-4459 Oh yeah, the Ray Nicolette thing is very obvious, but I have a friend who is OBSESSED with trying to prove that the Sam Jackson thing is true! Saying that, this is the same person that refuses to accept that he has not seen, nor does it exist, an American remake of THE KILLER from 1994 with Richard Gere, Armand Assante and Mimi Rogers, directed by Walter Hill! Say it loud, say it proud: ".... DIDN'T. HAPPEN." Oh yeah, the Ray Nicolette thing is very obvious, but I have a friend who is OBSESSED with trying to prove that the Sam Jackson thing is true!

Saying that, this is the same person that refuses to accept that he has not seen, nor does it exist, an American remake of THE KILLER from 1994 with Richard Gere, Armand Assante and Mimi Rogers, directed by Walter Hill!

Say it loud, say it proud:

“…. DIDN’T. HAPPEN.”

]]> By: NotorietyH http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/features/indispensibles-features/the-indispensibles-12-se7en/comment-page-1/#comment-4458 NotorietyH Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:05:13 +0000 http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/?p=2940#comment-4458 Yeha I remember hearing about ei8ht way back when, but I was hoping if I ignored it, it would go away, much like my genital warts. Sam Jackson may not have been playing the same charcter in both films but Michael Keaton was. Which I thought was pretty cool, despite not particularily liking Jackie Brown. Yeha I remember hearing about ei8ht way back when, but I was hoping if I ignored it, it would go away, much like my genital warts.

Sam Jackson may not have been playing the same charcter in both films but Michael Keaton was. Which I thought was pretty cool, despite not particularily liking Jackie Brown.

]]> By: Gazz http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/features/indispensibles-features/the-indispensibles-12-se7en/comment-page-1/#comment-4457 Gazz Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:51:45 +0000 http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/?p=2940#comment-4457 Did you ever see that "leaked" script for EI8HT (I shit you not!) many years ago? God only knows if it was real or fanboy written: ... Turns out that "JOHN DOE" was part of the 'game' and not the mastermind, and 'things' kick off again (despite the fact that... erm... the 'seven deadly sins' thing was accomplished!) and SOMERSET has to drag MILLS out of a mental asylum to help him with the case! It was HORRIBLE! And the great thing about it was that for like 2 years straight afterwards all the trades, were talking about the 'developing of this sequel' and Fincher, Pitt and Freeman were like "No!" "No!" and "No!" so there was a relative degree of safety in the fact that you knew it wasn't really going to go ahead! I'm a bit of a sequel junkie, it has to be said, but even I'm precious regarding certain film materials and the idea of a sequel to the likes of SE7EN or SHAWSHANK or DO THE RIGHT THING would just smart on me something rotten! However, I would LOVE to see an OUT OF SIGHT sequel. I just would... I know it would never be as good as the original but if they got EVERYONE involved again, it certainly wouldn't be "shit". And I would love to see those characters interface with each other again! PS Can I just take this opportunity - sorry about the tangent - to vocally exclaim once again to my friend 'Page 7 Fella' that Samuel L. Jackson at the end of OUT OF SIGHT is NOT, I repeat NOT, playing the same character he did in JACKIE BROWN! Seriously... two different names, two different appearances, two different timelines... STOP with the argument now! :roll: Did you ever see that “leaked” script for EI8HT (I shit you not!) many years ago? God only knows if it was real or fanboy written:

… Turns out that “JOHN DOE” was part of the ‘game’ and not the mastermind, and ‘things’ kick off again (despite the fact that… erm… the ’seven deadly sins’ thing was accomplished!) and SOMERSET has to drag MILLS out of a mental asylum to help him with the case!

It was HORRIBLE! And the great thing about it was that for like 2 years straight afterwards all the trades, were talking about the ‘developing of this sequel’ and Fincher, Pitt and Freeman were like “No!” “No!” and “No!” so there was a relative degree of safety in the fact that you knew it wasn’t really going to go ahead!

I’m a bit of a sequel junkie, it has to be said, but even I’m precious regarding certain film materials and the idea of a sequel to the likes of SE7EN or SHAWSHANK or DO THE RIGHT THING would just smart on me something rotten!

However, I would LOVE to see an OUT OF SIGHT sequel. I just would… I know it would never be as good as the original but if they got EVERYONE involved again, it certainly wouldn’t be “shit”. And I would love to see those characters interface with each other again!

PS
Can I just take this opportunity – sorry about the tangent – to vocally exclaim once again to my friend ‘Page 7 Fella’ that Samuel L. Jackson at the end of OUT OF SIGHT is NOT, I repeat NOT, playing the same character he did in JACKIE BROWN! Seriously… two different names, two different appearances, two different timelines… STOP with the argument now! :roll:

]]> By: NotorietyH http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/features/indispensibles-features/the-indispensibles-12-se7en/comment-page-1/#comment-4456 NotorietyH Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:09:35 +0000 http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/?p=2940#comment-4456 Yeah I knew there was a fairly convulted series of events leading to it, just Fincher wasn't mentioned in that part of the article, and I was sure I remembered him being part of teh whole fight to reinstate the original ending. Thank fuck they all had the integrity abd balls to stick to their guns, especially Fincher considering the amount of shit he was forced to swallow with Alien 3, if it wa sme I would've just said 'Fuck this!" and walked away. Yeah I knew there was a fairly convulted series of events leading to it, just Fincher wasn’t mentioned in that part of the article, and I was sure I remembered him being part of teh whole fight to reinstate the original ending. Thank **** they all had the integrity abd balls to stick to their guns, especially Fincher considering the amount of shit he was forced to swallow with Alien 3, if it wa sme I would’ve just said ‘**** this!” and walked away.

]]> By: Gazz http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/features/indispensibles-features/the-indispensibles-12-se7en/comment-page-1/#comment-4455 Gazz Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:46:08 +0000 http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/?p=2940#comment-4455 The ending Fincher first seen in script form was the one in which DOE is in MILL's apartment and the 2 detectives have worked out the "plan" and that TRACEY is a target and there's a car chase to get back to the apartment. You know the whole trains rumbling past in the movie? That was "set-up" as MILLS and SOMERSET get stuck in traffic, MILLS gets out and runs, he gets up onto the train platform and levies his gun at his ajacent apartment. DOE goes stalking down the corridor towards a showering TRACEY. MILLS goes to open fire, a train pulls in blocking his view. SOMERSET is now at the apartment, racing up the stairs. MILLS jumps on to the roof of the train and smashes through the apartment window, he lands in front of DOE. SOMERSET bursts in behind him. DOE charges MILLS. SOMERSET and MILLS open fire and shoot him dead. *THE END* Fincher stated he loved the script but absolutely flat out detested the ending. New Line stated that they already had Walker at work on the ending because they'd never liked the original ending and they didn't like his 'new' one either. Pitt was ready to commit but said that the script he had read, and loved had a completely different ending to the one that his agent was now brandishing in front of him. He signed on in agreement that they were going to go back to the original ending. Fincher in the meantime, went back over ALL the drafts and found the ORIGINAL ending and decided he wasn't going to move from that. That was what he wanted to shoot and that was what the 'essence' of the film was. Meanwhile, New Line pushed on with the idea that JOHN DOE was a disgruntled priest and that the ending would be a shoot-out in a flaming church with SOMERSET giving his life to save Mills. Pitt threatened to walk unless the original agreement was honoured (to reinstate the original ending) and Morgan Freeman backed him one hundred percent – even when the studio offered to keep the original ending but switch the protagonist of it to Freeman’s character, in order to alter the ‘victory’ that results within it’s framework. Eventually, in order to get the production rolling the agreement was that the original ending would "go" but that a variation of it would be shot to appease the studio. That's what you see on the DVD. Rumour has it that Fincher, Freeman and Pitt deliberately "fudged" the shooting and acting in the appeased variation so that it would hit with less impact AND be considered not-usuable! The ending Fincher first seen in script form was the one in which DOE is in MILL’s apartment and the 2 detectives have worked out the “plan” and that TRACEY is a target and there’s a car chase to get back to the apartment. You know the whole trains rumbling past in the movie? That was “set-up” as MILLS and SOMERSET get stuck in traffic, MILLS gets out and runs, he gets up onto the train platform and levies his gun at his ajacent apartment. DOE goes stalking down the corridor towards a showering TRACEY. MILLS goes to open fire, a train pulls in blocking his view. SOMERSET is now at the apartment, racing up the stairs. MILLS jumps on to the roof of the train and smashes through the apartment window, he lands in front of DOE. SOMERSET bursts in behind him. DOE charges MILLS. SOMERSET and MILLS open fire and shoot him dead. *THE END*

Fincher stated he loved the script but absolutely flat out detested the ending. New Line stated that they already had Walker at work on the ending because they’d never liked the original ending and they didn’t like his ‘new’ one either.

Pitt was ready to commit but said that the script he had read, and loved had a completely different ending to the one that his agent was now brandishing in front of him. He signed on in agreement that they were going to go back to the original ending.

Fincher in the meantime, went back over ALL the drafts and found the ORIGINAL ending and decided he wasn’t going to move from that. That was what he wanted to shoot and that was what the ‘essence’ of the film was.

Meanwhile, New Line pushed on with the idea that JOHN DOE was a disgruntled priest and that the ending would be a shoot-out in a flaming church with SOMERSET giving his life to save Mills.

Pitt threatened to walk unless the original agreement was honoured (to reinstate the original ending) and Morgan Freeman backed him one hundred percent – even when the studio offered to keep the original ending but switch the protagonist of it to Freeman’s character, in order to alter the ‘victory’ that results within it’s framework.

Eventually, in order to get the production rolling the agreement was that the original ending would “go” but that a variation of it would be shot to appease the studio. That’s what you see on the DVD.

Rumour has it that Fincher, Freeman and Pitt deliberately “fudged” the shooting and acting in the appeased variation so that it would hit with less impact AND be considered not-usuable!

]]> By: NotorietyH http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/features/indispensibles-features/the-indispensibles-12-se7en/comment-page-1/#comment-4454 NotorietyH Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:31:33 +0000 http://www.stalepopcorn.co.uk/?p=2940#comment-4454 It definitely does, nicely written, you pick out a lot of the great things in se7en that more often or not get overlooked. It's such an econmical, brilliant script. We spent a full hour just analysing the opening scene of Somerset getting ready in college back in the day. There's so much information layered throughout that scene that you already know exactly who Somerset is before he eeven opens his mouth. I thought Fincher was one of the people who was instrumental in getting the ending put back in though. I remeber reading in Empire when it came out and I think in teh commentary in the special edition that he got involved after the rewrite which had the more hollywood chase ending but got sent the earlier draft by accident and was blown away by the original ending, and was the one that started the fight to get it reinstated. Of course I imagine it's the kinda thing that everyone wants to take credit for! It definitely does, nicely written, you pick out a lot of the great things in se7en that more often or not get overlooked. It’s such an econmical, brilliant script. We spent a full hour just analysing the opening scene of Somerset getting ready in college back in the day. There’s so much information layered throughout that scene that you already know exactly who Somerset is before he eeven opens his mouth.

I thought Fincher was one of the people who was instrumental in getting the ending put back in though. I remeber reading in Empire when it came out and I think in teh commentary in the special edition that he got involved after the rewrite which had the more hollywood chase ending but got sent the earlier draft by accident and was blown away by the original ending, and was the one that started the fight to get it reinstated. Of course I imagine it’s the kinda thing that everyone wants to take credit for!

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